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August 17th – August 23rd

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So we’re still not completely certain if any of our readers have Steam accounts, but we’re pretty excited to recommend you play a computer game! Invisible, Inc. is a really fun game about stealthily robbing places around the world in order to save your super-secret spy organization. It’s kind of like playing a much more serious version of Archer. Part of the fun is that you tend to triumph against odds that seem impossible, even on the beginner difficulty!

Let us know on the Facebook page or on our Twitter account whether or not you actually play video games! If you do, we might be thinking of putting together something fun like a Towerfall or a Nidhogg get-together!

So are you all as excited about TopatoCon as we are? Because we’re REALLY EXCITED! There are a huge number of really neat exhibitors! You’ll definitely find something of interest to you! Including, of course, a lot of locals who are doing various cool things.

Read the TopatoCon code of conduct to know how to conduct yourself at the con! It boils down to: be cool, please.

And finally, we think they’re still looking for volunteers! If you want to pitch in, just use this form.

As always, be sure to check out the Weekly Events page! There are a lot of fun things happening this and every week! And the book club list!

THIS WEEK


Art:

Wednesday, August 19th
Forbes Library [20 West St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 4:00pm – 5:00pm
Teen Creative Writing
Are you a budding novelist? A poet who DOES know it? Also a teen? The creative writing group meets to work on a variety of writing activities and share their work together as they feel comfortable. Facilitated by Bridget, and snacks are provided!
Friday, August 21st
Platinum Pony [0 Cottage St, Easthampton, Massachusetts 01027] at 6:00pm – 9:00pm
Dr Sketchy’s
A body-positive cabaret figure-drawing session! Hone your craft while hanging out and having fun! Bring your own supplies, get some drinks and delicious foods, sketch some cool models, and even enter for a chance to win prizes from FOE, Topatoco, and Oh My Sensuality Shop!

Board Games:

Saturday, August 22nd
Off the Wall Games [41 Russell Street, Hadley, MA 01035] at All Day
Cook Out With the 131
There will be miniature game demos, there will be some open play, and there will be a chance to meet and greet with the community! What fun. Good place to be if you’re looking for people with whom to play miniatures battling games!
Sunday, August 23rd
Comics n’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 1:00pm – 4:00pm
Sunday Heroclix
Hosted by Jaimie! You can hang out and play this cute miniatures battling game where you bash all the various heroes and villains of Marvel and DC and Dark Horse and WIldstorm and… comic people just in general! Try a team of alternate versions of a single character! Maybe Captain Marvel.
Comics n’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 4:00pm – 6:00pm
Sunday Board Games
Stop by the store and play some board games! Games provided, or you can bring your own! We recommend Pandemic, that’s a fun time. Oh, or we’ve been looking forward to trying out the XCOM board game, it seems neat! Don’t bring Diplomacy.

Books:

Wednesday, August 19th
Forbes Library [20 West St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 4:00pm – 4:45pm
Teen Advisory Board
Teens! Take as much control as possible of your local institutions as early as possible. We hate to break this to you, but things aren’t looking great and older people are all pretty much just banking on having croaked right as it gets really bad. The TAB meets regularly to discuss books, plan library events, and improve programming at the library!
Thursday, August 20th
Jones Library [43 Amity St, Amherst, MA 01002] at 7:00pm – 8:00pm
Discussion of Go Set a Watchman with Prof. Barry O’Connell
Join the nice folks at Jones for a lively discussion of Harper Lee’s new book, the sequel to that one book you probably read oh it’s just a little thing called… TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD? The conversation will be led by Barry O’Connell, James E. Ostendarp Professor of English, Emeritus, at Amherst College. Oh those weren’t three people that was a title that makes more sense. Refreshments will be served.

Card Games:

Thursday, August 20th
Worlds Apart Games [48 North Pleasant Street B2, Amherst, MA 01002] at All Day
From the Vault Angels Pre-Order
We’re going to straight-up admit we do not know what this is. What vault? Why angels? What even are the particulars of the afterlife in Magic: The Gathering? When you play the game is the implication that everyone dies when you put a card in the Graveyard? Still, buy some new cards for $67.50 – $75.00!
Friday, August 21st
Greenfield Games [228 Main St Greenfield, MA 01301] at 6:00pm
Magic the Gathering August Friday Night Magic
All month long at Greenfield Games, you can play Friday Night Magic! Two tournaments with two fun formats: Standard and Modern. There are Swiss pairings of 3 to 4 rounds, and a $5 entry fee. There are lots of prizes!

Comics:

Thursday, August 20th
Modern Myths [34 Bridge Street #4, Northampton, MA 01060] at 7:00pm – 9:00pm
Queers in Comics and Games Discussion
This is a really great discussion group! Fun times with kind people who talk about interesting things. You can always count on an interesting recommendation and a lot of very thoughtful discussion of LGBTQIA+ representation in comics and games. Admission is a $5 day pass that becomes store credit immediately.

Computers:

Thursday, August 20th
Amherst Media [246 College St, Amherst, MA 01002] at 6:00pm – 8:00pm
Western MA Drupal Meetup
Meet fellow Drupal developers and trade secrets! Develop handshakes! Join together, bound by unknowable, gossamer threads. Thrumming, potent, sing new worlds into existence. Drinks generally to follow at a place TBD at the meetup!
Friday, August 21st
Packard’s Bar – Library Room [14 Masonic St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 8:00pm
Northampton Webdive – After Dark
A regular meetup of coders, web designers, web… just web-type people. It’s a great time to meet up with other developers and get some advice, or just hang out and develop friendships with people who understand your frustrations and triumphs!

Entertainment:

Tuesday, August 18th
Divas [492 Pleasant St #3, Northampton, MA 01060] at 10:00pm – 1:00am
Games Geeks and Cosplay
You heard them! It’s a fun time with some DJs spinning chip tunes dance hits because when you’re nerdy you actually cannot process music that doesn’t sound like an old video game we think. There’s going to be some vendors with neat stuff, video games, and it’s a Game of Thrones theme! Dress in costume! IT’s 21+ and there’s an $8 cover.
Thursday, August 20th
Sunderland Public Library [20 School Street, Sunderland, MA 01375] at 6:00pm – 7:00pm
Laser Tag in the Library!
Kids grades 5th – 8th should sign up and come to the library to play laser tag in the library! Act out zombie-apocalypse fantasies in a fun setting! With ray guns.
Palmer Public Library [1455 North Main Street, Palmer, MA 01069] at 6:00pm – 7:30pm
Anime Club
Anime and manga are fun times that a lot of people enjoy. Hang out with these people and watch, read, discuss, and enjoy these art forms! Open to teens and young adults ages 14 and up. Though the Young Adults part suggests a ceiling? We’ll say 14-24? We’re not really certain when Young Adult ends. If it feels weird, pull the ripcord!

Movies:

Wednesday, August 19th
Forbes Library [20 West St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 6:30pm – 8:30pm
Ex Machina in the Community Room
A cool movie! Or so we’ve heard. We haven’t actually seen it, and we’d like to! This is a chance to see it, so we’re excited about that. We’ve heard good things about Ex Machina, even heard it compared favorably to Blade Runner!
Saturday, August 22nd
MYSTERY LOCATION [Must join the meetup to find out!] at 6:00pm
Akira
Akira! A real awesome incredibly influential anime that people are big into for good reasons. It’s a beautiful cyberpunk vision of the future, one of the best animated movies of all time. Please bring $5 to defray the cost of food! Join the meetup to find out where this neat event is happening!

RPGs:

Thursday, August 20th
Palmer Public Library [1455 North Main Street, Palmer, MA 01069] at 4:00pm – 6:00pm
RPG Club
Create a character! Explore their adventures! Explore their mind! Really get in there deep and think about what it would be like to be that person! No! No wait, too far! You’re all the way in! You’re tumbling through the Space Between and being reborn in the world of the RPG you were playing! All ages welcome, no experience necessary.
Comics n’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 6:00pm – 8:00pm
Public RPG: Pathfinder Pirates
Stop by the shop to adventure on the high seas! This is a 5th-level game, but new players are totally welcome! You can join at any time and you’ll get tossed a pre-made character and some dice! It’s hosted by Tim Shields, a very nice person. You’ll like it! Play as a Parrot Elemental if you can. That’s just a swarm of parrots in the form of a person.
Saturday, August 22nd
Comics n’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 1:00pm – 5:00pm
Pathfinder Society
Play in an official Pathfinder Society game! If you get to a high enough level in the game, the Last Starfighter clause kicks in and you’re drawn into a mystical world of adventure! That’s how it is at all official RPG events, it’s why you see people disappear in a twinkle of mystical light so often!
Modern Myths [34 Bridge Street #4, Northampton, MA 01060] at 3:00pm – 6:00pm
Star Wars RPG
Star Wars! Wars in the Stars! Technically, we suppose all wars take place in the stars. We’re pretty excited about the Rogue One announcement, it seems like it might be a pretty cool film. If you are the sort of person who also gets excited about Star Wars, play the RPG at Modern Myths!

Science:

Wednesday, August 19th
River Valley Market [330 North King St., Northampton, MA 01060] at 12:00pm – 1:00pm
Free Picnic Presentation/Stealth Science Cafe?
So there’s a free picnic presentation series at River Valley Market, it seems fun! The current week looks like it’s in the general Nerd Watch sphere of interest because it has Skye Long and Laura Doubleday presenting, two of the people who organize the OEB Science Cafes! Though it doesn’t say what they’ll be presenting.
Friday, August 21st
Emily Dickinson Museum [280 Main St, Amherst, MA 01002] at All Day
Free Fun Friday
Learn about an interesting local celebrity at a museum! Become more historically literate, and all at no cost to yourself.
Saturday, August 22nd
Historic Northampton [46 Bridge St., Northampton, MA 01060] at 2:00pm
Caleb Cooley Dickinson: Eccentric, Lunatic, or Something Else?
W. Michael Ryan will speak at Historic Northampton about Caleb Cooley Dickinson! Kind of always assumed that the hospital was named after two people! He was a Hatfield farmer who left his $100,000 estate to build a hospital in Northampton. His kids tried to prove he was mentally unfit so they could get the money! Sounds like a heck of a story.

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May 25th – May 31st

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The Valley Nerd Watch!


Hey remember how you’ve always loved Nerd Nite? Well do we have news for you! We’re going to be at Nerd Nite! Excellent! We’ll be giving a talk about comic books, continuity, and why YOU are the final arbiter of what matters!  It’ll be Monday, June 1st at Eastworks! We do request you read this prior to attendance.

Bonus: You will get to see a simply gigantic number of excellent/silly early comic covers and interiors because we have a bunch of them and they are wall-to-wall excellent.

This week we’d like to take a second to direct you to something really neat about the Valley: local creators!

Hannah Shaffer runs the site Make Big Things, and is also a community organizer and game designer who’s currently working on a very neat game called 14 Days about living with migraines that we can unfortunately confirm is really accurate! It’s really impressive that the game is simultaneously a great way to role-play your way to sympathy and understanding with people in your life who might be suffering in relative silence, and it’s just an interesting schedule-game with an easy to learn system!

Hannah worked with fellow Valley-area creator Evan Rowland on the extremely neat RPG Questlandia! Questlandia is a game for 3-5 players about getting small personal victories against a backdrop of a collapsing empire. And the neat part is that you and the other players get to construct what sort of empire that is! You build the world as well as your characters collaboratively, and try to make your stories work out as happily and interestingly as possible while dealing with the random hand of fate! It’s available either as a PDF for only $10, or in print locally at Modern Myths at only $20!

In addition to creating great games, Hannah has done the hard work for you gathering together nice lists of games for varying types of person or group! For example, she has a list of RPGs you can play with just two players as well as a list of excellent all-ages RPGs! Hannah’s site is a really solid resource for anyone who wants to start playing interesting RPGs, but feels a bit put off by the seeming complexity or prior knowledge required! Thanks, Hannah!

As always, be sure to check out the Weekly Events page! There are a lot of fun things happening this and every week!

THIS WEEK


Board Games:

Saturday, May 30th
Modern Myths [34 Bridge Street #4, Northampton, MA 01060] at 6:00pm – 11:00pm
Women’s Game Night
Like the normal Board Game Night, only exclusively open to women! All women of all stripes, specifically including trans women, genderqueer women, and non-binary women, are welcome to come hang out with the excellent store manager Melissa while she helps everyone try out fun new games. The event will feature games designed by women, too! Also! Special door prizes by Coventry Decor! A $5 Day Pass is needed to attend, which is instantly converted into store credit!
Off the Wall Games [41 Russell Street, Hadley, MA 01035] at Mystery Time
X-Wing 125-pt Tournament: The Academy
So this is a super neat idea. Rather than being a straight-up build-your-fleet and fight experience, this tournament involves several clever conceits that encourage exciting maneuvering, aggressive flying, and guts! For instance, in “The Circuit” each player chooses one ship to run through the enemy gate and then get back to their own, while other ships try to protect them. Check out the 131 for more information!
Sunday, May 31st
Greenfield Games [228 Main St Greenfield, MA 01301] at 3:00pm – 6:00pm
D&D Attack Wing: Tyranny of Dragons Month Four Tournament
The sun rises on a windswept field. Two deadly armies have assembled. Humans, Dragons, Elves, Stenographers, Wizards, Giants, The Hilltowns, X-Men, all here to prove they’re the toughest! This big organized play event uses D&D Attack Wing to tell an epic story! Battle friends! Win neat prizes! Someone’s getting a giant dragon statue! It costs $20 to participate!

Books:

Thursday, May 28th
Packards [14 Masonic Street, Northampton, MA, 01060] at 6:30pm
The Player of Games Book Discussion & Dinner
Join fellow sci-fi nerds to discuss the excellent second novel of Iain M. Bank’s Culture series! The meeting will take place in the Library Room of Packards, and people attending will be expected to order a meal, which is cool because Packards is alright! There’s a limit of 12 attendees, and only 4 spots are left! Check out the meetup page to sign up!

Comics:

Thursday, May 28th
Modern Myths [34 Bridge Street #4, Northampton, MA 01060] at 7:00pm – 9:00pm
Graphic Novel Book Club
Join the staff at Modern Myths to discuss the finest in literature that also has pictures and probably some punches. This month, the discussion will center on the comic Strong Female Protagonist, Vol 1. A $5 Day Pass is needed to participate, which is instantly converted to store credit. Free participation with proof of purchase of the book from Modern Myths!

Entertainment:

Friday, May 29th
The Platinum Pony [30 Cottage Street, Easthampton, MA 01027] at 10:00pm
Serenity is proud to bring you a night of Pokemon drag and cosplay! Not only will you have an opportunity to see what we can only imagine are either loosely interpreted or distressingly accurate Pokemon, it’s also Serenity Lockhart’s birthday! Cosplay contest at 11pm, Drag Show at 12:15am! It’s a 21+ show!

Movies:

Wednesday, May 27th
Forbes Library Grounds [20 West St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 8:30pm – 10:30pm
A free outdoor screening of a classic pulpy action flick! Bring blankets, a picnic basket, a set of tools, spare lumber, a portable generator, and really build your own tiny house on the lawn while preparing to watch the film! Come by at 8:30, pick a spot, and the movie will start when it’s dark enough! Fun times!
Saturday, May 30th
A Person’s House [Near the Post Office, Northampton, MA 01060] at 5:30pm
Outdoor BBQ Followed by The Dark Crystal
The Dark Crystal is such a strange film. Actually there’s a director’s cut available online that is even odder. Finding out Jim Henson was originally an art cinema director makes so much sense! Bring $5 to help defray food costs, and if you’re going to bring any food of your own make sure it is basically just a fruit or a vegetable! To find out where this event takes place, join up with the Meetup group or talk to people on Facebook! Sounds like a great place to meet neat new people!

RPGs:

Monday, May 25th
Comics N’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 3:00pm – 7:00pm
Public RPG: Dungeons & Dragons
Dungeons & Dragons! Come play 5th edition D&D with GM Neal Robinson! While D&D is a pretty stock system, 5th edition does seem to have reinvigorated people, with a system that’s a bit more amenable to mixing combat and role-playing without making everyone into a pseudo-wizard like 4th edition did. Worried about coming in mid-campaign? Don’t be! There are pre-rolled characters available, so you can hop right in as “that cousin no one talked about who happened to turn up at an inn unexpectedly”!
Saturday, May 30th
Modern Myths [34 Bridge Street #4, Northampton, MA 01060] at 3:00pm – 6:00pm
Star Wars RPG
The Star Wars universe is pretty weird, right? Technology appears to have been stagnant for literal thousands of years, for one. Also, the Republic apparently lasted thousands of years, and then in the course of at maximum 20 years it completely collapsed and was entirely replaced by a hostile Empire that then almost instantly collapsed. What a weird period that must have been to live through! Anyway! Star Wars RPG, it’s a bit far along now, but we’re certain they could write you in as someone neat!
Comics N’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 1:00pm – 5:00pm
Public RPG: Pathfinder Pirates
Pathfinder! We’ve never actually used the system but people seem to dig it a lot! Seems like something you should give a shot if you’re interested in RPGs, and why not give it a shot when you can play as a sweet pirate! We recommend patterning yourself after Ching Shih, a real awesome female pirate captain who terrorized the South China Sea with a fleet of over 300 junks manned by over 20,000 pirates! She might be kind of difficult to balance for combat…

Science:

Thursday, May 28th
Springfield Museums [21 Edwards Street, Springfield, MA 01103] at 12:15pm
Springfield’s Immigrants: Then & Now
Frances Gagnon, Historian, will present a talk covering the great immigration waves into Springfield. From the earlier settlers to the Great Migration of the 19th century, to the modern newcomers. The issue of “us” versus “them” will be explored throughout the centuries.
Saturday, May 30th
Mass Audobon Connecticut River Valley Wildlife Sanctuaries [127 Combs Road Easthampton, MA 01027] at 10:00am – 2:30pm
A fun filled day of learning about birds! There are live birds of prey, presentations about birds, games about birds, bird walks about dogs, lots of things! Live birds of prey are guaranteed not to carry off your pets or children!

May 11th – May 17th

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The Valley Nerd Watch!


Hey everyone! You know how you like Nerd Nite? You know how you like us even more than you like Nerd Nite because we’re so wonderful? Well good news, you’ll have an opportunity to combine your two loves in a way that you previously could not have dreamed!

That right, we’re giving an Nerd Nite talk about comic book continuity and it will be as informative as it will be funny. And we’re VERY funny! It’ll be Monday, June 1st at Eastworks! We do request you read this prior to attendance.

Hey also have you been looking for an exceptionally dedicated group of local tabletop role-players to hang out with? Are you in luck or what! The Pioneer Valley Gaming Guild have just put up a new website and a new call for gamers! Note: you must be 21 or over, because sometimes there is alcohol at the table.

You should check them out if you’re interested in playing with a dedicated group every month or so. And we do mean dedicated! They’ve just completed a 7 year long 2nd edition AD&D campaign that was played over multiple tables and GMs for one extremely epic arc! They’re thinking about doing a Star Wars one next, which might finish up by the time the new trilogy is complete!

The PVGG is rules-light and roleplaying-heavy. It’s a group to hang out with if you’re interested in relaxing and playing rather than min-maxing. Everyone is invited to their Annual Cookout, Saturday June 6th! It seems like a great time to get to know them, email them if you’re interested!

As always, be sure to check out the Weekly Events page! There are a lot of fun things happening this and every week!

THIS WEEK


Board Games:

Saturday, May 16th
Off the Wall Games [41 Russell St Hadley, MA 01035] at All Day
Armed Forces Day Wounded Warrior Fundraiser
Help out wounded veterans while also getting a bunch of interesting bits of tabletop gaming! The mysterious 131 Gaming Club is hosting the annual Bitz Bazaar and Club Auction, with 10% of the sales going to the Wounded Warrior Project, a noble cause!

Books:

Friday, May 15th
Forbes Library [20 West St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 1:00pm – 2:00pm
Afternoon Book Discussion: Gentlemen of the Road
Michael Chabon has written some books we like a lot, notably the comic-book centric novel “The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay”. Gentlemen of the Road is a bit more of a lighthearted if action-packed adventure romp, and we recommend reading it this week and then talking about it with other intelligent folks!
Saturday, May 16th
Greenfield Public Library [402 Main St, Greenfield, MA 01301] at 7:00pm – 8:30pm
Experience the Book: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
This seems like it might be the best thing possible for a child of a certain age and a certain obsession with Harry Potter. There will be an interactive play with a bunch of the Hogwarts faculty, and some magical creatures. There are also refreshments and a costume contest. Sign up is required, so you’ll need to see the staff at the children’s desk to get a ticket!

Card Games:

Saturday, May 16th
Greenfield Games [228 Main St Greenfield, MA 01301] at 1:00pm
Magic Booster Drafts!
Magic booster drafts! This week is GATECRASH! We’re going to be entirely honest with you: the next sentence they used in their description reads like something out of the Necronomicon to us. We’re assuming that they’re saying that you get some prize rares and promo cards after the event. The entry fee is $9!

Computers:

Wednesday, May 13th
Forbes Library – Community Room [20 West St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 6:00pm – 8:00pm
Do you manage projects? Do you basically just have to juggle a lot of stuff and make sure it all gets down in an effective manner and a concrete time-frame? Come talk with other people who are skilled at managing things! Learn from them! It’s a heck of a time.
Friday, May 15th
Packards Bar – Library Room [14 Masonic St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 8:00pm
Are you tied to a computer most days? Do you make basically any web-based thing? Maybe you design things? Look, here’s an opportunity to get out of the house and chat with people who share your interests. You should go! It’s Friday night, you need to get out of the house sometimes!

Entertainment:

Friday, May 15th
The Platinum Pony [30 Cottage St, Easthampton, MA 01027] at 10:00pm
How to Train Your Drag Queen
A dance party full of friends and fun and drag and also probably costumes, and we’re assuming dragons? It’ll be a blast! The drag show starts at midnight, but the doors open at 10, with an $8 cover!

Movies:

Sunday, May 17th
The Platinum Pony [30 Cottage St, Easthampton, MA 01027] at 4:00pm
Big Hero 6 Free Screening
How delightful! A free screening of Big Hero 6! And somehow concurrent, a barbecue? Whatever it should be a fun time, Big Hero 6 seemed like a fun film to us and everyone loves barbecue.

RPGs:

Monday, May 11th
Comics n’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 3:00pm – 7:00pm
Public RPG: Dungeons and Dragons
Dungeons and Dragons! It’s really putting it out there right on the tin. It’s not the most innovative system anymore, and you will almost certainly wind up hitting either stock Orcs or stock Gerblins with stock fantasy weapons. But man, it certainly is a touchstone. And like any RPG, playing with a friendly group is a blast! Hang out with host Neal Robinson as he guides you into worlds of ADVENTURE!
Saturday, May 16th
Comics n’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 1:00pm – 5:00pm
Fear the Living RPG Demo!
This is so cool! Last year Local Hero John Thomas Jessop successfully Kickstarted an extremely interesting RPG called Fear the Living, a zombie apocalypse RPG! This weekend you’ll be able to play the game with him! Sounds like a completely cool time! Possibly our favorite bit about the system is that the more ostensibly useless a talent is, the bigger a bonus you get when the bonus applies. Always a fun time making a toaster repairman that winds up coming in real handy!
Comics n’ More [31 Union Street, Easthampton MA 01027] at 1:00pm – 5:00pm
Public RPG: Pathfinder Pirates
Join host Tim Shields for a pirate adventure RPG! All are welcome, there are pre-rolled characters if you need one! Or you could find out whether or not you can make your character a gigantic sentient parrot with a tiny pirate that sits on their shoulder and asks for grog. There’s nothing in the rulebook that says we can’t do that, Tim! We don’t care if it fits your campaign setting, Tim!

Science:

Monday, May 11th
Forbes Library [20 West St, Northampton, MA 01060] at 6:30pm – 8:30pm
Ethics of Fracking
So, fracking. How about it? It’s a huge new fixture in energy production, yet it’s also possible that it’s a literal super-villain earthquake machine. See a free screening of the film “The Ethics of Fracking” which will likely make you think wow, it is not wonderful that science lags 40 years behind industry most of the time!